tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6991690808698030627.post4697745202684900637..comments2023-09-08T06:50:45.673-07:00Comments on Eternal Rounds: Why do bad things happen to good peopleUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6991690808698030627.post-41347515932107973082009-01-03T16:55:00.000-08:002009-01-03T16:55:00.000-08:00Rob, I like the idea that some spirts or elements ...Rob, I like the idea that some spirts or elements are more stubborn to the promptings of the spirit than others. I am missing something. Isn't commanding the elements a part of what I will call "true preisthood?" By true preisthood I will go with the March 20 1842 definiation from Words of Joseph Smith of "their is certain key words & signs belonging to the priesthood which must be observed in order to obtain the blessings" If you are worthy to use the key words & signs doesn't Satan himself have to obey, or am I getting mixing up doctrine and movies. So wouldn't every element in exisitance also have to obey?Dallashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09059980976554460215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6991690808698030627.post-14458871281021576722009-01-03T16:33:00.000-08:002009-01-03T16:33:00.000-08:00Jack, as far as your comment, "prevailing LDS view...Jack, as far as your comment, "prevailing LDS view that everyone needs a mortal probation" that isn't the issue here, the issue is how many of those mortal probations does that person need in order to, like robby states "become" perfected or "become" like god.<BR/><BR/>Another question for you, you mention that Christ "resurrect[ed] himself" how does one resurrect onself? I believe resurrection is a Preisthood ordinance and with all Preisthood ordinances, it takes someone else to preform it. Someone who has had it preformed on them.Dallashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09059980976554460215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6991690808698030627.post-24389737315220709912009-01-02T19:05:00.000-08:002009-01-02T19:05:00.000-08:00Actually, no one reaches exaltation without first ...Actually, no one reaches exaltation without first undergoing mortal probation. It's just that, for reasons unknown to us, some people made more progress in that direction and qualified for a shorter mortal probation than the rest of us. Some even qualified to be removed from earth prior to reaching the age of accountability. But even such people suffer while on earth.<BR/><BR/>Jesus Christ is a different story. His mission required him to reach the age of accountability and then suffer extensively despite living a sinless life. This was the only way He could gain the power to become a Savior and to resurrect himself after three days, thereby opening the door to the remainder of humanity to ultimately follow suit.<BR/><BR/>The prevailing LDS view that everyone needs a mortal probation remains in effect, but no two people get an identical probation since no two people have identical needs, requirements, or made identical progress in the spirit world.Jack Mormonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08671278467022843855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6991690808698030627.post-35745255120347415632009-01-02T04:47:00.000-08:002009-01-02T04:47:00.000-08:00I won't deny that this could be the case, however,...I won't deny that this could be the case, however, I do have some problems with this often expressed theory. The major problem I have is that I think it completely negates the necessity of a mortal probation. If we could progress to the point of exaltation in the pre-existence, and the only reason that we need to come to earth was to get a body, then why isn't that the standard method? Let everyone remain in the pre-existence until they have progressed to the point of exaltation, then do a short stint here on earth to "get a body" and then enter into their exaltation. No pain, no suffering, no heartache. Seems a much more pleasant route. Unless we radically change our standard LDS view of the pre-existence, then this theory denies the oft taught LDS doctrine that we need a mortal probation to learn and grow through faith.<BR/> <BR/>I just can't see this theory holding water. It would mean that this four year old girl would have progressed even farther in the pre-existence than Christ. Christ did not come to this world ready to be exalted. He, like we, needed to <B>become</B> perfected here. And it took him 30+ years to do it. Yes, Christ <B>became</B> exalted. <BR/>In a talk called Building Bridges of Understanding by Elder M. Russell Ballard, published in the June 1998 Ensign, he said the following:<BR/>"The scriptures inform us that Jesus grew from ‘grace to grace’ until he received a fullness of the Father’s grace…Thus He increased in the divine attributes of godliness <B><I>until</I></B> he was perfect."<BR/><BR/>"Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And <B><I>being made perfect</I></B>, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" (Hebrews 5:8-9)<BR/><BR/>It seems clear to me that if even Christ needed this mortal probation to <B>become</B> perfected, that we too need it for the same reason. If Christ didn't progress to a point in the pre-existence where all he had to do was come here to get a body, it seems very unlikely to me that anybody else progressed to that point. This life is about <B>becoming</B> like God. About <B>becoming</B> perfected. Those that are taken early by tragedy are denied this opportunity. I don't think that is how God wanted it. Will they still have the change to become perfected? I believe that God in his infinite wisdom and mercy has developed a way for them to still have the opportunity to become perfected, but I believe that he wanted it to happen in this mortal probation.Robby Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05165072060357811166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6991690808698030627.post-17271926015785826472009-01-01T00:03:00.000-08:002009-01-01T00:03:00.000-08:00A very thought-provoking post. Consider this other...A very thought-provoking post. Consider this other possibility: Perhaps the four-year-old girl had made sufficient progress in the spirit world that she was not required to remain on Earth long enough to reach the age of accountability and be exposed to temptation. So her primary purpose in coming down here was little more than to fulfill the requirement to claim her mortal tabernacle.<BR/><BR/>This does not imply that all premature deaths are pre-planned. Many die prematurely due to deliberate risky behavior, or by choosing professions which, by virtue of their missions, requires one to be placed in harm's way in the normal course of events. They then meet their end in the course of their normal duties.<BR/><BR/>But considering that the little girl was taken from the earth despite the prolonged prayers of her father, this implies that the little girl had fulfilled her mission and the disease was her ticket "home", so to speak.<BR/><BR/>I derived much of this insight from a book entitled "Life Everlasting" by Duane Crowther. In addition, the books of W. Cleon Skousen and Joel Skousen have also been influential.Jack Mormonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08671278467022843855noreply@blogger.com